Another Casino Windsor Trip Report

Last night at Caesars Windsor I stumbled upon
one of the softest, weakest group of poker players
I've ever encountered anywhere. They werent
'new', bad players who didnt know how to play
the game (ie: not knowing about posting blinds
or that they can check or bet), these were just
plain awful players. Calling raises all the way
to the river with a small pocket pair, giving off
the most painfully obvious tells and trying to
bluff, etc.

Soft players are a bonus, but one of the main
reasons for me to play there was to earn
comps on my Harrah's card. I'm heading to
Vegas again in November and want to eat at
the RIO buffet for free. Harrahs also keeps
offering me free tickets to shows like
Englebert Humperdink and Regis Philbin.
I'm hoping someone who's less than
70 years old will perform at Caesars Windsor
one of these days and they'll give me
some free tix for that ... lol

But now there's a big reason not to go back to
Windsor to take advantageof the comps and
those juicey cash games. It's because of this
poker rooms totally abhorrent treatment of
rules and etiquette.

Until now, I'd never been at a casino where
talking about hands while play was still
going on was condoned. It was really bad.
Players not even in the hand, calling out
potential straights and flushes, talking about
what hands they think players have.
This went on for about a half hour (during
2 different dealers) before I said something.
Dealer didnt seem concerned at all, but the
new dealer coming in who was standing behind
him (shaking her head) took better control of
the table and kept the table talk to a
minimum, although not eliminating it.

You may remember a previous blog post about
a visit to this casino where I witnessed a guy
lose his entire $300 stack, (+ a $700 pot)
because of the Caesars poker room rule that
if you expose your hand with action pending,
your hand is ruled dead and sent to the muck.
This rule is not posted anywhere.
Well, it happened to me.
(I had a slightly better outcome)

I'm playing a short stack, $150 or so.
I'm in late position (cutoff) with QT.

EP raises to $6. This seems like a weak raise
for this player. He has a tendancy to call raises
preflop, but fold postflop unless he hits
atleast top pair.

Its folded around to me, I make it $16.

Button and BigBlind both call.
(they're both loose $2/5 players, so I wasnt
surprised to have them follow with any2cards).


Pot is $60.

Flop is J 9 4 rainbow.

BB bets $25 (he likes to lead out,
out of position for some reason,
he likes to be "aggressive" I guess?).

EP raiser folds.

I shove for $110.
(A good argument could be made that I
played this hand poorly, but I was trying to
outplay these $2/5 donks on this hand to
set something up for later)

Button is still in hand but has his cards hidden.

Big Blind says "All-In" and rolls over QT.
I hesitate and turn over my cards.
Dealer burns a card and is about to run
the last two cards from the deck so we can
chop it up, and the button says
"Wait, I havent called your all-in yet".

Fuckin great, I know where this is going.

Dealer calls floor, who is the guy who killed
dude's hand the last time i was at this casino,
so not looking good. He comes over and says
"I think I know what will happen and you're
not going to be happy". He goes and gets the
shift supervisor to confirm. I state to the table
that if my hand is ruled dead, they should
cover their ears.

Guy to my left says "Your hand is probably dead,
but it totally depends which supervisor is on duty".
Soup arrives and he reviews what happened.
Suprisingly, he rules that my hand is not dead
and explains that the BB who acted out of turn,
his hand will be ruled dead. I acted based on his
mistake, so my action is void. I'm thinking in the
back of my head, BB said "ALL-IN" (for about $600).
So all Button has to do is Call, and he automatically
wins BB's stack, minus the $110 that goes into
my main pot. (Which he could still win if he has
a better hand than me).

Button player, finally breaks his silence and says
"I'm just going to muck, you 2 can play it out".
Floor says if everyone's aggreable, BB and I
can chop it up. Not wanting to be a dick,
I dont bring up the fact that the BB's hand is
ruled dead and I should scoop the entire pot.
I'm happy to chop it rather than be broke by
a stupid interpretation of a house rule.

Dealer runs out the turn and river. K , Q.

Button has a total FIT and starts ranting,
he folded A T and would have made broadway.

What a clusterfuck.

I understand and agree with the intent of their
"No exposing your cards with action pending"
rule. It has some merit, but it is more trouble
than its worth. The easiest, and probably smartest
thing for me, is to just head the other direction
to Niagara and avoid Caesars Windsor.